There have been major riots in Gujarat in 1967, 69, 1980s and 90s. People, including those that held office in the Gujarat administration, have been convicted. He NEEDS the shelter of Godhra burning being PRE-PLANNED in order to protect himself from the charge of INCITEMENT TO MURDER. Did Modi try to use his resources? Was there any justice in those riots? Further, I have read parts of SIT report. For instance, army was in Gujarat within 48 hours. © 1998-2019 Zee Media Corporation Ltd (An Essel Group Company), All It is well known that Indian police is under staffed, under-trained and under-paid. Udhwani has commuted the sentence of the 11 convicts into life imprisonment. If the Muslims of Godhra had to burn down the train, they could have chosen any location, except waiting till the train entered this staunchly Hindu state. 04 Mar 2019: Railway coach burnt to recreate Godhra incident for Modi's biopic . And his total involvement in liquidation of key witnesses, killing innocents like Ishrat Jahan to justify that he was “under attack”, etc. So I request you please tell me what exactly you are saying. Are Indians fraudulent, dishonest, corrupt, arrogant, boastful? The hearing on the case has continued for more than a decade. The High Court has upheld convictions after hearing appeals. Till today NO ONE KNOWS EXACTLY HOW IT GO BURNT. My Times of India articles | My Times of India blog and planned articles, Becoming Rich and Powerful: A Primer for the Citizens of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh, Seeing the Invisible: A book on economics for children, Scientific Hinduism Book 1: The role of meat in a healthy diet, Scientific Hinduism Book 2: Brahminical (caste) Hinduism: a system of institutionalised oppression. Noida, ... was burnt on February 27, 2002 at Godhra station, triggering riots in the state. Many other things, too. Why is the truth about how Coach S6 got burnt in Godhra so important to the case against Modi? I removed this sentence because it provides no information. This is an absurd and silly analysis that is far from reality. Modi: He is implicated because he did NOT call for an inquiry. The train passes through MP, Rajasthan and Maharashtra also. (Express archive photo) The Gujarat High Court on Monday commuted the death sentence awarded to 11 convicts to life term in the Godhra train burning case of 2002. This was 500-700 meters away from the Godhra railway station, at Signal Falia area. ... On 7–5–2002, we inspected the coach and the site where it was burnt. The 2002 Gujarat riots, also known as the 2002 Gujarat violence and the Gujarat pogrom, was a three-day period of inter-communal violence in the western Indian state of Gujarat.The burning of a train in Godhra on 27 February 2002, which caused the deaths of 58 Hindu pilgrims karsevaks returning from Ayodhya, is cited as having instigated the violence. Second thing that you are trying to say is Modi said “ISI did it”, which was wrong. On Sunday morning, a railway coach was set on fire in Vadodara to recreate 2002's Godhra train burning incident for Prime Minister Narendra Modi's biopic, reports IE.. 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Does the Human Rights Watch still hold on to the view that the government and the Court have been particularly slow in bringing the people involved in Gujarat riots to justice? Sure, I would like to understand what are you are trying to say. It is crucial that the state draw some lessons. Our role is to ensure that the state abides by the constitution and upholds international standards. Assamese Irredentism – a comment by Nari Rustomji, 1983, My critique of Christopher Snowdon’s deplorable article in The Quillette, Further appeal by Indian students separated from spouses by Australia’s criminal lockdowns. Prosecutors can also appeal the verdict, as also happened in this case. 1. Even then I often felt that media coverage was over the top. Questions about the Godhra case ... inflammable material is needed to set on fire the compartment in the same manner as it was burned in less than 25 ... had repaired many parts of the train. That was certainly not under Modi’s control since he had barely joined. Now, only one person in India is acutely aware of this: Modi himself. At any point of time, there are some 250 hawkers on the station. If he was not lying, then his inability to stop further deaths becomes a case of INCOMPETENCE or dereliction of duty, which is a smaller misdemeanour/crime. The train reached Godhra railway station five hours late, at about 7.45 am, though it was scheduled to arrive there at 2.45 am. In the 1984 and 1992-93 cases, the justice process is stalled despite numerous inquiries. On 26.2.2002 at about 9.30 p.m. the first step for procuring petrol was taken. We take you back in time to the Naroda Patiya and Gulbarg Society massacres in the aftermath of the Godhra riots. The train was not burnt at the railway station, but at Signal Falia. Sarfy mentioned this on FB: Any kind of analysis of the Godhra train incident implies that we endorse Sangh Parivar's bigoted view that if Muslims burnt the train, innocent Muslims deserved to be killed in the riots thereafter. If they wanted revenge, it could have been done in a neutral state like MP also. Godhra Revisited Surely there should be an independent judicial commission to probe the identity of the burnt victims and how was it that all but four reserved passengers were not … This is egregious at best. In the current version pl. If there is justice, such instance will not happen. We will seek the prosecution of someone responsible for a crime, but will then defend the right of that same accused to a fair trial. The High Court, on October 10, ruled on an appeal in the Godhra case, commuting 11 death sentences to life imprisonment. My interest is different. In Muzzafarnagar, justice was denied to Hindus and Muslims were protected. Even if we assume that the Godhra train burning was a pre-planned act of terrorist, it does not justify the senseless murder of a thousand innocent Muslims who had nothing to do with the train burning. 4. As a human rights activist, in a situation like this, how do you decide whose side you take? To understand the Godhra incident, we will have to begin our journey in another city - Ayodhya. It is the responsibility of the state to protect lives, and the administration clearly failed to take necessary steps to protect the pilgrims. Other stuff you say is irrelevant so I’ll ignore. Zarda was among the 11 sentenced to death in the February 2002 Sabarmati express carnage case. that Nanawati said there were a few people from the mob who carried 140 litres of petrol into the train and burnt it. This narrative is very disturbing but still finds space in sensible societies -> "A kills B, so… The tragedy of the incident did not end there but spilled into a terrible riot across the state of Gujarat. There have been three incidents of massive communal violence in recent decades. PCR testing – how many cycles are used in Australia? Into India or Out of India? You don’t. The end of Trump can be the beginning of America, Finally, a president acknowledges White supremacy. What is not in doubt is that there was a mob attack on the train and that scores were killed or injured. In any event, no evidence exists of any prior intent to kill. The 'secular' media and some political parties try to minimise the tragedy, with some going to the extent of blaming the victims. etc. 2. Indeed, Madhu Kishwar has fallen for such argument. If you can’t prove any flaw in my analysis, then you must agree that Modi was LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH when he said that ISI caused the burning, and that it was pre-planned. Some of them carry stoves with kerosene in them. Photograph:( WION spoke to human rights activist and the Director of Human Rights Watch in South Asia, Meenakshi Ganguly on the issue. This narrative is very disturbing but still finds space in sensible societies -> "A kills B, so C must kill D. Where A, B, C and D are 4 different individuals.". Do read the judgement. There have been various inquiries into the circumstances that led to the horrible deaths of 59 people on the Sabarmati Express. Twitter account frozen for posting the truth about covid. There *is* only an inside and an outside of a train. This was when Operation Parakram was going on the border with pakistan. located in the administrative territorial entity: Godhra The Godhra Train Burning was an incident that occurred on the morning of 27 February 2002, in which 58 Hindu pilgrims karsevaks returning from Ayodhya, were killed in a fire inside the Sabarmati Express train near the Godhra railway station in the Indian state of Gujarat.. The Godhra Train Burning was an incident that occurred on the morning of 27 February 2002, in which 59 Hindu pilgrims and karsevaks returning from Ayodhya, were killed in a fire inside the Sabarmati Express train near the Godhra railway station in the Indian state of Gujarat. So to call it a Modi story as absurd requires more facts. Since 2002, we continue to see incidents of vigilante violence, often based on racial or religious prejudice. Don’t give me some wild generaliastion in response. Step 1 is to prove that he was lying. My online blog in Times of India: Seeing the Invisible. Godhra – Waiting For Justice One event that changed the political discourse of this country was the burning of the S-6 coach of the Sabarmati Express on 27th February, 2002, that resulted in the tragic death of 58 passengers travelling in the coach including … For victims and their families, what is key is a criminal justice system that conducts a fair and impartial investigation to identify perpetrators and then prosecutes them with enough credible evidence to ensure a conviction. All Rights Reserved. rights reserved. Do they speak loudly and bother others in public places? In 2011, there were riots in London. Godhra carnage: Burnt coach of Sabarmati Express train at Godhra. 59 people died that day but can a state hang eleven people for the crime committed? If the High Court throws out the ABSURD STORY cooked up by Modi (and judge Patel) to "explain" the Godhra train burning, then it would be clear that the train burning was a BAD but UNINTENDED INCIDENT, removing any possible excuse for Modi to not have prevented the post-Godhra killings. However, for Modi, the test is different. Chanakya’s well regulated system of prostitution in ancient India. In 2002 riots, justice has actually been delivered. The horrific burning of 59 Hindus in coach S-6 of the Sabarmati Express at Godhra on 27 February 2002 and the deadly Muslim pogrom that followed is one of the worst ruptures in recent Indian history. Pl. Godhra train burning convict on death row jumps parole. All of them were kar sevaks who were returning after a religious ceremony at the disputed Babri Masjid site. Modi tookover in 2001, barely 6 months before the riots. If that is the case, then he is implicated as having AGGRAVATED and INCITED violence. Do not make me repeat. "In this Godhra Train Burning incident it got burnt either from outside or inside the train." This is likely to have an impact in future as people are more likely maintain peace. Their reasoning is that the muslims started it when they burned the train the godhra and therefore what happened afterwards is totally justified. But he likely misused his position of authority to ensure that hundreds of innocents got killed. Just bin it. The train reached Godhra station at 7.30 a.m. on February 27, 2002. ). Give his OWN Bandh call. Godhra train burning. 59 people are burnt to death in a well-planned attack at Godhra. You say: Nanavati Commission has said “Muslim mob burnt the train”. Now show me HOW it was possible for the Godhra train to have got burnt in the manner of these official reports. Please check the proofs I’ve provided very carefully, since I’ve spend a HUGE amount of time researching them. He did MANY other things to aggravate: give dead bodies to VHP. I know what I’m talking about. In its December 18, 2007 resolution calling for a worldwide moratorium on the death penalty, the UN General Assembly stated that “there is no conclusive evidence of the death penalty’s deterrent value and that any miscarriage or failure of justice in the death penalty’s implementation is irreversible and irreparable.”. His response in the riots can only depend on the resources available at his disposal. “At Godhra station, the hawkers on the platform started stoning the train after an unsavoury incident, especially targeting coach S-6, because some occupants of the coach had given offence. More than 200 people have been convicted. This is really bad. Further, I am absolutely no clear, how on earth you are denying the history. These guys are beyond belief. Complaint to the International Criminal Court | Xi Jinping’s use of hysteria as warfare. In the 2002 cases from Gujarat, most of those convicted-- both in the Sabarmati Express attack in Godhra, as well as for the subsequent attacks on Muslims in various parts of Gujarat including those claiming to be supporters of the government-- have appealed the verdict. He jumped to accuse, and excited the entire Gujarat. Because they didnt believe that state will deliver justice. Modern Business by Slocum Studio. That is the question to be tested/confirmed. SIT report cites several instances. Lastly, let me also add, I was in Gujarat, Gandhinagar at that time studying. Allow them to parade them. The court, has, however, upheld the life sentence awarded to 20 others by the special SIT court. File photo: Coach S6 of the Sabarmati Express that was burnt on February 27, 2002. These are BOGUS reports. I have SEVERE RSI. It appears that the decision to put the plan into action was taken on the previous evening. All that you are trying to say that it was not a pre-planned attack. 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The kind of modernization of police that is happening in Gujarat is never been talked. Any analysis made must also take into account has Modi made Gujarat safer today? We, however, oppose the death penalty in all countries and under all circumstances because it is unique in its cruelty and finality, and is plagued with arbitrariness, prejudice, and error. Who do you think should take moral responsibility for the failure? No. download http://sanjeev.sabhlokcity.com/Misc/The-truth-about-Modi.doc. We don’t have to take sides. Explained: Coach S-6 of the Sabarmati Express train caught fire in which 59 people were killed. Sanjeev Sabhlok, pl read this: GODHRA: THE TRUE STORY by Nicole Elfi http://www.jaia-bharati.org/nicole-elfi/ni-godhra-ang.htm. Terror attacks are normally not done on temples. I’ve TORN THEM INTO SHREDS. In the Gujarat cases, because of interventions of the Supreme Court, the National Human Rights Commission, and the appointment of independent investigators, there has been progress in a number of cases. There was scuffle between the … The Great Hysteria and The Broken State– In this book I show why this is no Spanish flu and why lockdowns amount to public health terrorism. As the train started leaving the platform, someone pull… (1) Feel free to republish my posts with attribution: no need to ask. Avinash, this reference is useless. Coach S-6 of the Sabarmati Express, in which 59 people, mostly 'kar sevaks' returning from Ayodhya were travelling, was burnt on February 27, 2002 at the Godhra station, triggering riots in the state. Just focus on my key point – That MODI IS A HUGE LIAR AND PLANNER OF MAJOR KILLINGS OF INDIANS. Eleven men are sentenced to death for setting fire to a passenger train in the Indian town of Godhra in 2002, killing dozens of Hindu pilgrims. 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Sarfy, I agree with the general tenor of your analysis. SECOND point that Sanjeev makes is <<<>>> This is again absurd and not an objective analysis. The Patel judgement fully admitted the story. Have Scott Morrison and Daniel Andrews (or their parties) been PAID BY VACCINE COMPANIES? Yes, but you haven’t read the report and the Patel judge’s report. October 9, 2017, 15:59 IST explore: India Written By: Meenakshi Ganguly. It's All about Fact and Truth Tell his MLAs clearly that he was giving them 3 days to whatever they want, etc. The Gujarat High Court has cited 2 reasons for commuting the death sentence: "overcrowdedness" of the coach & "more than 100 people could escape". The retaliatory spree of the rioting mob killed hundreds of Muslims, displacing thousands of others as homes were set on fire. He did not directly kill anyone (like Hitler did not kill anyone directly, as well). A court in the Indian state of Gujarat convicts 31 people of the 2002 train attack in the town of Godhra that sparked deadly riots across the state. Why the Godhra verdict is humane. Did he try to seek help? Twitter blocked my backup account, then I’ve somehow managed to get back my main account. I believe his case will ultimately be decided by the Godhra train burining appeal currently in the High Court. Yet NANAWATI ADMITS THAT NO ONE SAW THIS PETROL BEING CARRIED. The fundamental thing is justice. Why does this alleged “vaccine” not stop transmission of the virus? How can we explain the superior (on average) intellectual performance of the Brahmin ‘caste’. The 2002 Gujarat riots were triggered by the death of 59 'kar-sevaks' in the Godhra train burning incident. The Gujarat government brings the charred bodies to Ahmedabad and makes every attempt to … 3. When there was a violence inculcated by a community, why did the people react with violence? Sadly Sanjeev continues to ignore this aspect and prefers traditional myths that are propagated. This attack happened just 6 months after the Gujarat riots, it was clearly aimed at disturbing the troubled water. Any kind of analysis of the Godhra train incident implies that we endorse Sangh Parivar's bigoted view that if Muslims burnt the train, innocent Muslims deserved to be killed in the riots thereafter. In the next 2-3 yrs, Guj will become the first state to have no pending cases in courts. I’ve read/scanned nearly 3000 pages and 12 hours of video. How are you relating this to Modi. People also ignore the work Modi has done in improving justice delivery through evening courts. Railway coach burnt to recreate Godhra incident for Modi. But, recently, in a verdict given by the Gujarat High Court, the bench of Justices Anant S Dave and G.R. It has, however, we believe also upheld humane principles and commuted the death penalty to life imprisonment. Your email address will not be published. On 27 February 2002, fifty-nine Hindu pilgrims, returning from Ayodhya after a religious ceremony at the Ram Temple site were burnt alive in the S-6 coach of Sabarmati Express. Whose cause do you fight for? Initially, 11 of the perpetrators of the Godhra carnage were given death sentences. I need to know HOW PRECISELY the train got burnt. Both print and Kindle versions are now available. Shortly after the train left the Godhra railway station at 7: 48 a.m., a mob (the estimates of the numbers of which have ranged from 500 to 2000) stopped it. Further, these seculars conveniently forget to mention how Gujarat remained quiet when Akshardham was attacked. Read the orignal Patel judgement and Nanawati report (linked therein). 6. Sixteen years ago, a train coach was burnt with its passengers still inside. 5. Further, army units were instantly provided with vehicles and mobile phones for better co-ordination. 40 likes. The mass attacks on Sikhs in 1984 after the Indira Gandhi assassination, the 1992-93 attacks on Muslims around the demolition of the Babri Masjid, and then the 2002 attacks on Muslims, killing hundreds after 59 Hindus died during a mob attack on the Sabarmati Express. <<<>>> This is typical response of those who call themselves secular. Ashish Khetan picks apart Judge Patel’s verdict and shows how a devious lie was constructed. Op-eds:Times of India (and here), News18, The Wire,Australian Financial Review, The Australian. It is likely that the conspirators had decided to burn a coach of this train as it used to pass Godhra during the night. I believe through his actions he incited Gujarat and CAUSED the mayhem that followed. Particularly, in comparison to the case filed on Godhra? Do you see these as sufficient reasons to rule out premeditated murder? What followed was violence on a scale the State had never seen before. Don’t give me garbage. Disprove my findings one by one. Further, reaction to a riots depends on the available infra and manpower. I am afraid the author hasnt done that. I’ve read original judgements/ commission reports. Public Servant Forever – copy of original India Today article, Complaint to the International Criminal Court. Thereafter it becomes a clear case of INCITEMENT TO MURDER – which is a major crime. Not arrest VHP leaders to prevent violence. This man is a KILLING MACHINE. But, of course, those responsible for these deaths need to be held to account. The tale of Ayodhya Ayodhya is a small town located on the banks of river Sarayu in the state of Uttar Pradesh. One question, Nanavati Commission had rejected that Sofia story. Under the Indian constitution, everyone has the right to a fair trial and the right of appeal. On the way, coach S6 of Sabarmati Express was set on fire. So just like you insist on proof, I would also like a more structured response in order to understand what you are saying. Godhra train burning was an incident that occurred on the morning of 27 February 2002, in which 59 people died in a fire inside the Sabarmati Express train near the Godhra railway station in the Indian state of Gujarat. November 19, 2014 7:00 pm. Photograph:( Reuters ) ... 59 people died in a fire inside the Sabarmati Express train near the Godhra railway station in the Indian state of Gujarat. Godhra Train Burning: HC faults State Govt, Orders Rs 10 Lakh for Victims' Kin. These seculars ignore the fact that Gujarat has always been riot prone. The High Court has blamed the state administration for its failure to maintain law & order, leading to kar seva. It was a conspiracy, the court says but nobody knows who lit the match. From the ground level, the height of the bund could be about 12–15 feet and it is a slope. The High Court has upheld the 2011 special court ruling, convicting 31 and acquitting 63. News18.com But the seculars keep talking about justice without delivering it. 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